Plactic Cars =)

HaHaHAHa crapbox can't fit a game n a single disc — hahahahah just go blu-ray and get it over with microshaft!!!!!!

Arcade Boxes… haha suck thumb!!! LOL

Now a harddrive is … …

no prob

install second disc (1.9gb) to hdd takes 5-10 mins then never needing it again.

the rest of the time is to finally celebrate a racing title with the most user/community content online and offline including racing, tuning, painting, trading, buying, selling, sharing, filming, editing, photos and finally certified/uncertified leaderboards for each mentioned category to post your individual hidden talents……….Dammnnn!!

sure beats the traditional race, tune, race, race, race formats.

im sure everyone has some skill in forza 3's different modes, so get in and fiddle!!!!

Ouch, what a shame
The 360 is showing its weaknesses very early, and I think its about to get worst, ff13 anyone, and after hearing the naughty dog people talk about using up the ps3 power and space wise. I'm sure any company that wants to compete, will have to do the same. reall bad for M$ if this game is multi plat….

Oh well, I'm a ps3 boy myself, so im in the clear..lol

lol at m!
Very early?!? The X360 was relased in 2005, we are in 2009! Are you one of those players that still say “next gen” when refering to X360 and PS3 instead of current gen, even ~4 years after the X360 was released?

I guess X360 is doomed! OMG you need multiple discs!!!!1111111111111111 I remember games such as Final Fantasy 7 that required multiple discs, that game was doomed, no one played it because you had to change discs (which you won't even need to do with Forza since 2nd disc is like optional DLC that you install, except that it is free when buying the game)

Whether people admit it or not, this 2nd disc is really a grave inconvenience and only proves that higher capacity discs like blu-ray are a necessity. A racing title like Forza can get away with this (although it's still preferable to just have all the cars and content on the same disc), but what if we're talking open-world games here? Added to that the 360 didn't come with a standard HDD. It really shows Microsoft's short sightedness. Or rather their paranoia to beat Sony to the market and ensure they had a cheaper system.

When there are games on the PS3 with better graphics, loads of content, using 25-50 Gig BD discs that have NO installs and stream everything off the disc leaving your HDD free to take advantage of actual DLC and other media content, it really goes to show that Sony was right, and all the criticisms levied against blu-ray were just FUD and marketing spin to pedestal the 360.

The drive speeds are comparable to the DVD drive. Any extra performance the 360's DVD drive gives is negligable to developers. Blu-ray's drive speed has a constant read speed that the DVD drive does not and never reads at full capacity anyway. The faster spinning speed also risks scratching discs if they're improperly built which is just what many early 360s did. Claims of data duplication needed for PS3 games are laughable because data duplication is also done on 360 games and is a completely normal practice done for nearly all games since they were on CDs. Also it turns out that many third party games that required installs on the PS3 but not the 360 were because the devs developed on the 360 first and were tossing the DVD footprint onto the blu-ray instead of optimizing it for blu-ray and then making PS3 owners install practically the whole thing to run the game.

Blu-ray was needed this generation, and there are ample examples showing why. Detractors of the format and the PS3 simply need to admit they were wrong and move on.

Blu-ray was NEEDED this generation? I think Microsoft and Nintendo will do just fine this generation without BR…

Sony took a huge gamble with BR and they won it but if HD-DVD had been the winner, it would have been a different story. Microsoft and Nintendo simply didn't want to do that gamble, they knew DVD, while smaller, would still be enough this gen. Multiple discs never doomed a console or a game so far, I don't see why it would be different now. Obvisouly a disc with more storage like BR is more convenient but did gamers think it was worth paying the extra price for BR instead of having multiple discs in what, 5% of the games released? Looks like a no if you add the sales of MS and Nintendo vs Sony.

Sure you can still get good games on 360 and Wii using DVD… and on PSP using UMD… and on DS using DS-cards. That's not the point. The point is that Blu-ray has huge benefits for gaming, despite what detractors of the format and PS3 claimed and these results are clearly being shown.

While you can still get neat games on DVD and on multi-DVDs when you need to, DVD is still holding developers back from what they would otherwise achieve. And this is particularly frustrating where multiplatform games are concerned. Games can be good on DVD, but they can be far better off using blu-ray. If all the Forza content was on one disc, then those extra cars could be used by the AI to race against, and your HDD would be free to use for all the other content LIVE offers. Also developers making games for 360 have made it be known that they are designing games around the limitations of DVD, so they're having to cut back on their offerings and plans due to storage limitations and not all of them feel the need to put content on an extra disc. And depending on how many discs you use for 360 games, there is a limit and going over that limit means paying Microsoft extra royalties for extra manufacturing. Developers like Square Enix have stated there is no room on DVD to add in Japanese language support, and we will not be able to visit past locations/missions separated by disc. So all sorts of concessions are being made, however minor, that would otherwise benefit a lot of gamers.

At the end of the day Blu-ray is a better format for today's generation fo games. Which is not to say 360 and the Wii can't do well enough with what they offer or even be more popular. It's simply that better quality and achievement and advancements in gaming may only be possible on PS3 thanks in large part to blu-ray.

Of course you can still get good games on X360. Like it or not, the games still look better on PC (obviously a PC is more expensive than a 360 or PS3, that it not the point) and guess what, they are on DVD. BR is not required to have the best graphics, PC still has superior graphics using DVDs.

Plactic? What's plactic?

You guys are all loser fan boys

Go get a girlfriend already

Stop bagging a game because it needs two discs already.

Geez, what losers.

swapping discs takes 3-5seconds.. OMG HUGE PROBLEM

waiting 10-13mins install on hard disk per chapter due the slowness of the blu-rays ..((*cough* MSG4)), is – no big deal – ?
or maybe GTA on ps3 is not playable without installation!

i own both consoles.. and u cant use the blu-ray card anywhere…… well maybe exclusive movies on blu-ray

In case you hadn't noticed PC games also usually come on multiple DVD discs and usually take up a lot of space when uncompressed and installed. A game like Crysis requires 12 GBs of HDD space. And while the technical specs are good it offers nowhere near the same variety or setpieces of a game like Uncharted 2 or even Killzone 2. I didn't say blu-ray was necessary for graphics. Your system specs are. What blu-ray does is give you more room and convenience for more assets and content and more detailed assets naturally have a higher filesize. Something DVD doesn't have therefore assets for Forza are split onto two separate discs, and if it did come down to it, assets may require reductions in detail to be a more managable size. So even if a system could render graphics with higher poly-counts and more detailed textures, if there's no space availability on the DVD then assets could have to be reduced in filesize so your system will not be used to its maximum, or in some cases additional content is cut out, as is probably the case of certain RPGs that are now making their way to PS3 with more content that was clearly cut out of its 360 counterpart when it was once a timed exclusive.

The supposed 'slowness' of the PS3's blu-ray is a lie. The difference between either is negligable.

Games like Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 stream off the disc and require no installs at all. What do you have to say about that?

MGS4 was a game so big Kojima complained that even a 50GB blu-ray disc wasn't big enough, primarily due to high quality sound files. Usually data duplication helps, but there was no more room on a 50GB disc to do so, which is why it must instead install reqired assets. There's no way a game like MGS4 could fit onto multiple DVDs comfortably. It would require so many discs to swap and you would STILL need to install each one before using it! So imagine that! This is why MGS4 will never be on the 360, at least not with the same quality that it has on the PS3.

The reason some games on PS3 require installs and not on the 360, is because they were developed with DVD in mind and then the DVD footprint was lazily tossed onto the blu-ray disc without any optimization and made to install to run.

There is no disc swap, you got to choose if you install the optional disc or not. And if you do (you should) its fire and forget. people are a bit overreacting.

People are so damn ignorant on here. Blu Ray this, Blu Ray that. This is 360 people, not PS3. Forza 3 is 360 exclusive. The article says the 2nd disc is tracks and cars. The 1st disc is the actual game with most of the cars and tracks. We don't know exactly what they've done with this game as far as racing. Now, Blu Ray is garbage anyway so no need for the hype. I noticed someone talked about MGS4. That was such an ignorant comment. That game was not a game. It was more of a damn movie. Blu Ray discs are used to slow down bootlegging and add ridiculously long video like MGS4. If Blu Ray discs are that damn good then why do PS3 games still need DLC for??? EXACTLY, now shut up. People need to check themselves before they comment.

so true.. just playin forza 3^^

wtf, anyone here knows the BR space used by a ps3 game? does anyone already have done a game dump? they are all similar to 8gb like one DVD-DL, so why are you talking in BR advantages, better graphics and bs…my ps3 was sold 3 weeks after get out, for what i have tested in 4 games i prefer 360 (graphics) ps3 uses too much blur, let me say to you all, that before 360 i was a sony fan boy, but after testing ps3 crap…i changed, for me the BR now only is good for video, for ps3 games is useless.

and by the way xbox 360 games are free

I was really surprised because I found out a cheap car insurance for a car like this. So far I heard that you have to pay an insurance for a car like this pretty much as a normal car worth. And this is only for a year. This is why I was so surprised when I found out this nice insurance and you can only have benefits from it.

I guess he's referring to plastic cars or also known as plastic toy cars